tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34955137.post1516273781621473365..comments2023-11-05T04:23:05.050-08:00Comments on Finding My Way Home: Sacred Life Sunday: Loyaltythailandchanihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10171731740204067889noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34955137.post-73915825528200788392008-03-04T14:37:00.000-08:002008-03-04T14:37:00.000-08:00I really respect loyalty, and I'm often surprised ...I really respect loyalty, and I'm often surprised and let-down by how little it's valued today.<BR/><BR/>I liked that film, too.Aliki2006https://www.blogger.com/profile/15763865834765963343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34955137.post-67317689283792515322008-03-04T13:22:00.000-08:002008-03-04T13:22:00.000-08:00I had to think about this one for a while, too, be...I had to think about this one for a while, too, because everyone's definition of loyalty falls somewhere different on a fairly broad spectrum.<BR/><BR/>While loyalty is undeniably a positive trait, I'm too much of an individualist to feel comfortable within the constraints that accompany relationships or situations that depend upon it heavily. Especially such as spying.<BR/><BR/>OMG - i cannot get my comment finished because these kids will not be put off any longer. We're going to play, of all things, Simon Says.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34955137.post-38472358278451851482008-03-04T06:30:00.000-08:002008-03-04T06:30:00.000-08:00I agree with you, Chani, one of the best movies I'...I agree with you, Chani, one of the best movies I've seen in awhile and I had almost forgotten about it!<BR/><BR/>Loyalty is very important in my life. I offer it and usually, I receive it back. When I don't it hurts really bad.Angelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12153878171712341666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34955137.post-38504890742787866132008-03-03T19:26:00.000-08:002008-03-03T19:26:00.000-08:00loyalty is very important to me. that said i thin...loyalty is very important to me. that said i think blind loyalty can be dangerous and lead to hurt. <BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://runningonempty-christine.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">Running on empty</A>Christinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04662448292809451387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34955137.post-16019812919017895192008-03-03T10:44:00.000-08:002008-03-03T10:44:00.000-08:00I think loyalty, healthy loyalty, is a natural ext...I think loyalty, healthy loyalty, is a natural extension of healthy attachment, and can reflect solid morals, when taught.<BR/><BR/>Barring that...yeah, it's dysfunctional, and ephemeral.<BR/><BR/>I agree with Jen who said our culture isn't as fixed as it once was, which interferes with attachment and loyalty.<BR/><BR/>But I also had a concept several people shared with me in the assertive discussion come to mind: it varies by perspective, right?<BR/><BR/>People who say loyalty is everything make me nervous. I can't think of a way that at some point we aren't gong to step on one another's toes, which means at some point, someone is going to get offended. If we've decided that any breach of loyalty is a deal-breaker...wow. I think it's more important to consider how and what. <BR/><BR/>Does that make any sense?Julie Pipperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169574697104642479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34955137.post-71358561553145518492008-03-03T06:47:00.000-08:002008-03-03T06:47:00.000-08:00I too saw this movie and thought it was great! Lo...I too saw this movie and thought it was great! Loyalty is for me like the blanket was to Linus. Something I long for always and never willing to give up. Fierce and protective like a mother bear yet... I have found that it is the most difficult of all to ascertain. For the mere bribe or change of opinion loyalty can be lost at the drop of a dime! Such a shame because it can be such an attribute. You never know who your real family/friends are till it cimes time for them to be loyal~ All the best, MMariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04170401447671532001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34955137.post-12481597750183902322008-03-03T04:12:00.000-08:002008-03-03T04:12:00.000-08:00This is one of those topics that makes me feel as ...This is one of those topics that makes me feel as if I've been punched in the stomach. The people I've loved most have all betrayed me in really quite spectacular, creative, unexpected ways.niobehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10685766216611639434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34955137.post-63837084964709860932008-03-03T01:15:00.000-08:002008-03-03T01:15:00.000-08:00Loyalty is everything to me. I can't imagine havin...Loyalty is everything to me. I can't imagine having a friend who is not loyal. That would not be a friend.<BR/><BR/>I lost a "good friend" recently. Someone...we'll call him Erin...did something that I thought was highly unethical. My friend, who I'll call Donna, said "Well, I've known Erin for 20 years and you for only 5 so I'll keep Erin as a friend since I've known him longer". This isn't loyalty to me. In fact, Donna is probably incapable of loyalty. It doesn't matter how long you've known someone, but how dedicated someone is to you and to truth and honesty and high ideals.<BR/><BR/>Loyalty demands you talk to both people. It doesn't matter who you've been friends with longer. You keep the friend whose integrity matches yours (that's assuming you have integrity). This is loyalty.<BR/><BR/>Loyalty also means that you believe the best about those you love. You are realistic and grounded in truth, but until you have a reason to question your loved one, you believe in them. If you find out about a betrayal or a problem, you handle it, to the best of your ability with love, out of loyalty. <BR/><BR/>Loyalty also demands that you don't lie to protect another person, though. For me, loyalty is grounded in honesty and truth. <BR/><BR/>Well, lots of random thoughts. Good topic, Chani...got me thinking about loyalty!!<BR/><BR/>I finished "The Ascent of Humanity" tonight. What a tome...what a life-changing tome...the best book I've ever read. Collapsed my worldview and given me another so that I feel better about being here, now. It took so much work, work that paid off in spades...work that has given me a culture that supersedes countries and boundaries and geography...work that unites me with like-minded people.<BR/><BR/>I am going to Hawaii in 5 days...I identify with indigenous people there. I am so much better prepared after reading AOH. <BR/><BR/>I will look forward to talking to you about this in the future, my friend!<BR/><BR/>Sacred Sunday Blessings and Love,<BR/><BR/>OOliviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06058356843151306428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34955137.post-83362131105182858222008-03-02T22:52:00.000-08:002008-03-02T22:52:00.000-08:00Loyalty is important to me...nothing hurts me more...Loyalty is important to me...nothing hurts me more than a betrayal from a person whom I least expect it from.Sai Hijara - Ferrarishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05520502217532479038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34955137.post-18869429177944450132008-03-02T22:37:00.000-08:002008-03-02T22:37:00.000-08:00great post!great post!Livhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09154719979114564561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34955137.post-5633622032434335122008-03-02T19:43:00.000-08:002008-03-02T19:43:00.000-08:00I find that i am generally more loyal than most pe...I find that i am generally more loyal than most people. But if i am loyal to you, and you value that loyalty, i am yours forever.menohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18065283682414369608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34955137.post-67741091520235563622008-03-02T18:41:00.000-08:002008-03-02T18:41:00.000-08:00Crazymumma, yes! You are first. :) I have a hard t...Crazymumma, yes! You are first. :) I have a hard time confining my loyalty, even when it is not returned. I know reciprocity is healthy with that.. but I have to learn that still. <BR/><BR/>~*<BR/><BR/>Flutter, it's a stock photo from Google images. It really is cute though. I agree. :)<BR/><BR/>~*<BR/><BR/>Ewe, I'm not sure loyalty can be abused. I know what you're saying but it occurs to me that loyalty isn't the "my friend, right or wrong" thing.. but more "I'll stand by you, even when you make horrible mistakes. Perhaps I won't even be able to be around you - but I will still stand by you." <BR/><BR/>It's a new issue for me.. exploring this. <BR/><BR/>~*<BR/><BR/>Ian, I hope the "tit for tat" goes away. If you learned from it, all you can do is let it go. <BR/><BR/>I have also betrayed in the past. We all have. <BR/><BR/>~*<BR/><BR/>Angela, I do agree and can't stand hollow relationships. I don't do casual friendships well.. and I'm still a bit confused on the loyalty issue. I need to think about it some more.<BR/><BR/>~*<BR/><BR/>JenA2, yes... instant food, instant intimacy and disposable people. That does seem to be the cultural ethic here. Sad, really, because so many people are missing out - are unhappy and isolated.<BR/><BR/>~*<BR/><BR/>Steve or Golf - (I don't know which of you is writing the comment :) - It's definitely cultural.. and everything you say is true. Community is on the group mind right now though. We may even see some changes. Today during my sobriety support group conference call, we were discussing this very issue. Loyalty is peripheral to it only in the regard that lack of community is rampant. Maybe we should start figuring out how to deal with community and loyalty will come as a natural result. <BR/><BR/>~*<BR/><BR/>~Chanithailandchanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171731740204067889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34955137.post-89797944382647194922008-03-02T18:03:00.000-08:002008-03-02T18:03:00.000-08:00It's a shame that what Jen writes has become more ...It's a shame that what Jen writes has become more true in today's western society. True loyalty is very difficult to find and maintain. Too some degree this can be blamed on our throw away culture, but the fact that many of us no longer have a community to associate ourselves with can be blamed as well. In the past people knew their neighbors, educators, business people and they associated themselves with the people in their communities (towns, villages, neighborhoods). It is this closeness that leads to trust, respect, love and loyalty.<BR/><BR/>Seems that these days no one wants to be bothered with anything or anyone that doesn't benefit them directly and once that benefit is gone they move on. It's the "Me" generation and it's really a shame. Too many people no longer form connections with others and with the communities they live in and these connections are vital to developing loyalty. IMHOAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34955137.post-1687833781413937912008-03-02T16:04:00.000-08:002008-03-02T16:04:00.000-08:00I think loyalty is extremely important, and I'm st...I think loyalty is extremely important, and I'm still learning that the psyche of our "throw away" society seems to feel that people (friends, spouses, sometimes family members) can be thrown away with the ease with which we throw away objects we no longer want.Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02362687820368214420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34955137.post-23484166084094087192008-03-02T16:01:00.000-08:002008-03-02T16:01:00.000-08:00This is a sticky-wicket for me, personally. I am f...This is a sticky-wicket for me, personally. I am fiercely loyal...yes, to a fault. And I always assume that *everyone* is. Which is when I get myself burned. Extending loyalty to those who don't reciprocate has probably caused me some of the worst pain in my life. But relationships without loyalty feel shallow to me. Meaningless.Angelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08013834612284846819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34955137.post-66781482904218058142008-03-02T15:13:00.000-08:002008-03-02T15:13:00.000-08:00A gunshot wound is less injurious than betrayal. I...A gunshot wound is less injurious than betrayal. I did once betray and still suffer guilt from having done so. But, I have also been betrayed, and perhaps that was divine justice.Ian Lidsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14106994463366766471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34955137.post-38813562887764303302008-03-02T14:47:00.000-08:002008-03-02T14:47:00.000-08:00My loyalty to my family is fierce. I also conside...My loyalty to my family is fierce. <BR/><BR/>I also consider loyalty one of the most important traits in my friendships ... as long as it's not abused.ewe are herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13339650361453626546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34955137.post-91262379063149815712008-03-02T14:20:00.000-08:002008-03-02T14:20:00.000-08:00oh sorry I couldn't get past how cute the photo is...oh sorry I couldn't get past how cute the photo is, who took it?flutterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11828689769747130419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34955137.post-38397446785346126902008-03-02T14:17:00.000-08:002008-03-02T14:17:00.000-08:00Hey. I'm the first!In the past I have been loyal t...Hey. I'm the first!<BR/><BR/>In the past I have been loyal to a fault. Then to my dismay I found several took advantage of that.<BR/><BR/>Now, my loyalty lies mainly with my immediate family. I stay loyal, but also watchful.crazymummahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04663148723513574331noreply@blogger.com